This is a little weird

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This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:31 pm

It seems that the composer category, and all music by, the composer Yrjö Kilpinen (1892-1959) has disappeared. I can't think of any copyright reason, publication of his music occurred in a reasonable time (and we have music by composers whose music was all published after 1966 anyway- but his wasn't) - am I just making an incorrect search? I searched on the site under Kilpinen just now and only one page turned up on the whole site. I recall there being a category and lots of workpages. ??

(My first clue was that we weren't turning up in a Google search for Kilpinen. First, I thought Google was pissed off with us :D )

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby coulonnus » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:25 pm

I don't find him on http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Composers#fcfrom:K Hope Kilpinen is the last name?

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:13 pm

Yrjö Kilpinen, Finnish song composer. No, he's not listed anymore, I thought we used to...

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby coulonnus » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:37 am

Do you remember one work title? Some "wierd" sites store copies of imslp pages and I'll search.

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby coulonnus » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:50 am

Eric wrote:(My first clue was that we weren't turning up in a Google search for Kilpinen[...]

I wish I could try yahoo.com, bing.com or qwant.com but they don't have the site:imslp.org feature of Google. Which words are present on every work page, besides complete score? I know Google contestants. :-)

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:18 pm

Hrm ? I just typed Kilpinen site:imslp.org .

Then today I went to archive.org and wayback-machined

imslp.org/wiki/Category:Kilpinen,_Yrjö

with or without umlaut, middle-name, etc, several variants. It has no such page archived. Maybe I'm just mistaken after all and no such category or pages were ever uploaded, but I was pretty sure. Nothing in the deletion logs that I see, either.

Ok, something for the wishlist (using Worldcat, etc. to populate with most interesting and "PD" song cycles and other works from his output.) I'm surprised, though. Sorry. Waste of a good question. I really thought I remembered a lot of Kilpinen workpages and even some performances of reductions for piano. My memory it is going and going and going. Blast!! :(

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:55 pm

The works I'd be most interested in (e.g. cello sonata Op.90; 6 piano sonatas up to Op.89 ; violin sonata) were I think composed a bit too late anyway (1936 or so for the cello sonata (©1939 in US, 1948 in Europe, 1951 in E Germany, am I _reading_ that right?) and the 6th piano sonata (ah. ©1943, pub.1948 - wartime issues perhaps), I believe... unless the 1943 one was this "Pastoral-Sonate, Op.82" and the librarian just misread it as the 5th? sonata, Op.85... bother bother... also: "Suite für Violoncell oder Gambe und Klavier, Op. 91." looks interesting)

Still, that leaves a lot of well-regarded songs, I gather (which haven't done badly on the recording front actually)

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby David Campbell » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:54 am

The Opus 82 is a five movement Pastoral-Suite.

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby coulonnus » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:55 pm

Searching websites of US or European libraries is useless. You know this. Try perhaps http://fr.scorser.com

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:24 pm

I'm well able to get his list of works with composition dates. I'm interested in dates of publication and copyright dates/renewal dates. Probably the best websites to check are OPACs of Finnish libraries, for obvious reasons, since Worldcat is no longer interested in them, etc. Will check. Scorser - ca semble être un peu comme les sites américains (pour moi un peu plus intéressant, regrette...) "Sheetmusicplus", aussi "Amazon.com" et ceux-cies. Erm. (OPAC == "Online public access catalog" = Catalogue d'accès public en ligne/sur web (ou, telnet, FTP, ... bien sûr- ainsi Gopher...)

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:36 pm

The Finnish network "Helmet" (haku.helmet.fi I think) has about 260 works of sheet music by, including collections containing, Kilpinen; not sure how many aren't in the sources -already- sought though...

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:43 pm

Ah, the National Library of Finland has 504... (looking for any mention whether the first 5 piano sonatas or violin sonata were published, though.) Ah. "Sonaatit, piano, nro 3, op85", pub.1943.

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Re: This is a little weird

Postby Eric » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:52 pm

And This Kilpinen Biography and Worklist in Finnish (PDF) gives (p.46)

Op.81 - 1st sonata (1931) ("Teosta ei ole julkaistu" - "This work has not been published") ; Op.82 - Pastoral-suite (1932-6, pub.1943) ; Op.83 - 2nd sonata (1933, "This work has not been published") ; Op.84 - Totentanzsuite (1932-36, published 1943); Op.85 - Piano sonata no.3 (1933, published 1943) ; Op.86 - Piano Sonata no.4 (1935-6, This work ...) ; Op.87 - violin sonata (1935) ; Op.88 - piano sonata no.5 (1935, not published); Op.89 - Piano sonata no.6 (1936, published 1943) ; Op.90 - cello sonata (1936, published 1939)


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