Schubert should go in there, as should Berlioz. Whether or whether not Berlioz was a bad composer... (which I am inclined he is), his orchestration was very influential. Schubert's tonality also strongly influenced Wagner.Most influential:
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I've yet to hear a piece of his that is Musically brilliant. His tonal language is very... simple/immature, and his theme leave little to the imagination and aren't all that memorable either.Berlioz is maddeningly inconsistent and wrote a number of duds (name a composer who didn't!), but when he's on form he's simply brilliant.
I've only heard one lecturer bag him. Apart from that lecturer I was unaware of any cliché, I'm only using my own experience studying his scores/music.reciting the clichéd academic prejudice
Beethoven is a bad composer. But he did make quite a few stunning pieces, that's what keeps him in history books. All the other composers you mentioned are actually very consistent with their works.Beethoven, Wagner, Mahler, [R] Strauss, Stravinsky, Schönberg... take your pick.
I don't feel that either are banal actually. Things don't have to be original to be good music. The Alpine Symphony is in no way immature or unmemorable harmonically like almost all of the Berlioz I have heard is.Interesting, though, that you dismiss those two, yet put the Alpine Symphony as a favorite. As glorious as it is (easily my favorite piece by him), it's also just as banal as Berlioz in many ways.
Indeed; Romeo=Tristan.He was very influential, nonetheless, especially on Liszt and other 'modernists' in the 1800s.
Why I feel he is 'bad', is because he has his good pieces (which, bar orchestration, verge on the greatest pieces ever, but they almost have their antithesis in his bad music. To me a composer (once mature) has to write consistently good music (not necessarily great), and this is what turns me off Beethoven. For example, I don't believe his music is bad per se, but if consistency is the key (and it is for me) then Beethoven doesn't get top spot.To call him a 'bad' composer is just silly
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