Mahler: Symphony No.10

[Yagan Kiely]

Can anyone find me a bound score of the symphony that isn't AU$125 or there abouts? I'd like it a little cheaper...

That said I don't want just the adagio.

Preferable not this one, but begger can't be choosers.


On top of this, does anyone know of a recording of the 10th symphony that has not been realised? i.e. a recording of the short score (where applicable).

Thankyou

Yagan

[daphnis]

When you talk about finding a score are you asking for a score not completed by Cooke?

[Yagan Kiely]

Preferably, but either or.

[daphnis]

For a non-performing edition, see the Associated Music Publishers score revised and edited by Otto Jokl pub. 1951.

[Yagan Kiely]

Thankyou very much.

But... where would I start looking?

[daphnis]

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp ... em-_-Title

[Yagan Kiely]

Oh, it is that. Thankyou. I thought that was just the first movement.

[pml]

Hi Yagan,

the score Daphnis refers to is the Křenek arrangement, and has only the 1st movement (Adagio) and the 3rd (Purgatorio); it was prepared for a 1924 performance by Ernst Křenek with contributions from Franz Schalk, Alban Berg and Alexander Zemlinsky. In many respects the later editions surpass this:

Joseph Wheeler (1948–1965)
Deryck Cooke, assisted by Berthold Goldschmidt, Colin Matthews and David Matthews (1960, 1964, 1976, 1989)
Clinton Carpenter (1966)
Remo Mazzetti, Jr. (1989)
Rudolf Barshai (2000)
Nicola Samale and Giuseppe Mazzucca (2002)

I believe the Cooke edition (Associated Music Publishers, ISBN 0-571-51094-9), is available from Faber; Barshai's is the one linked above (Universal-Edition). I personally like the Cooke, and would like to hear the others. It is fairly useful in giving a short-staff reduction of passages from the sketches in movements four and five where there is no draft orchestral score available.

I'm one of the main authors of the Wikipedia article, though the nature of Wiki editing would make me want to pause before claiming all the errors there are my own!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_N ... 8Mahler%29

Regards, Philip

EDIT: To put the ř in Křenek

[daphnis]

Yes, the Cooke edition is available from Faber at the low, low cost of ~$150.

@pml, are there any scores available that are not completed by someone else? While I am not familiar to a great extent with the tenth symphony regarding how much Mahler actually put down, I would be interested to see just what he did write untouched.

[pml]

@daphnis: but consider, the low, low cost of ~$150 would be going to Faber and not U-E (bad luck for any royalties for Rudolf Barshai).

Two sets of facsimile copies of the Mahler sketches have been released. The first was a set published by the company of Paul Zsolnay, which gave the principal sketches, printed on an almost exactly reproduced series of folios and bifolios:

Movement 1 (Adagio) draft full score;
Movement 1 short score;
Movement 2 (Scherzo 1) draft full score;
Movement 3 (Purgatorio) draft full score;
Movement 3 short score;
Movement 4 (Scherzo 2) short score;
Movement 5 (Finale) short score; and
8 pages of miscellaneous sketch pages.

For instance, the draft full score of movement 1 consists of a double sheet (bifolio) as an outer folder, with 8 further bifolios inside; Mahler wrote on each side of these 8 sheets except for the last, so resulting in a continuous 31-page orchestral score of 279 bars; movement 2 is similar except Mahler ran to all but the last side of 10 bifolios, thus a continuous 39-page orchestral score of 522 bars. The draft full score of the Purgatorio is only 30 bars long, but there is enough material in the short score and 1 page of sketches to fashion a movement, albeit an uncharacteristically short one for Mahler, as most of the final section is given as a "da capo" with a short coda. The full score drafts are all one system to a page: 18 or 20 staves, in landscape format. The short score, sketches, and inserts are usually multiple systems per page.

The Zsolnay set accounted for most of the principal material, but significantly left many pages unpublished: in particular, the short score for movement 2, which is essential to any attempt at completion of it, since the draft full score is much patchier than either the first movement, or even the 30 bars of movement 3. (This may have some bearing on why the "Jokl" edition, i.e. Křenek's version, consists only of these two movements; even Cooke found it a considerable amount of work to do his completion of movement 2.) To address this shortcoming the International Gustav Mahler Society funded another publication including all of the pages produced by Zsolnay as well as most of the remaining short score, sketches, inserts and other pages; however, besides being of a slightly lesser quality in terms of printing, three or so pages of manuscript escaped inclusion in the set. These pages however appear in facsimile in the preface of the final version of Cooke's performing edition!

The University of Melbourne (where I work) has a copy of the Zsolnay set in the Hanson-Dyer Music Library, which used to be available for staff loan – so you can imagine I availed myself of the opportunity! They are now unfortunately included in the reserve collection, not to be loaned out!

Apparently U-E are looking for sponsors to underwrite publishing a complete set of typeset versions of all of the above:
http://www.gustav-mahler.org/gesamtausg ... chau-e.cfm

This would be functionally equivalent to what you asked, i.e. a typeset score, minus any attempt at completion

[daphnis]

Very informative! Thanks for all the great info. about this tenth symphony. I do hope to see a "complete" and unadulterated compilation of all Mahler's original materials for this symphony someday.

[ethan.rucinski]

Do you think maybe we can put in the Cooke III version of mahler 10?

[daphnis]

No, we can't, as his contributions are still protected everywhere in the world.

[sbeckmesser]

So are either the Zsolnay or the Mahler Gesellschaft facsimilies in the public domain? It's not clear from any of the above. If they are, they'd be good targets for IMSLP uploading.

--Sixtus