Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby JimL » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:06 pm

Does anyone have any information on the tempo indication of the 2nd movement Scherzo in the 1st concerto?

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Eric » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:50 am

There's also a concertino in G by him for piano, by the way (pub. 1932.) Don't know the answer to your question as yet. That said, since the first concerto was published in reduction by Schott in 1922 (a copy is held by Pancras Library, British etc), it should be -possible- to answer this question and even upload the result to IMSLP...

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Notenschreiber » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:02 am

There is a disc with the composer at the piano. The duration of the scherzo is 7:17. Here is a link:
https://www.muziekweb.nl/Link/BAX1807/P ... 0000593891

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Eric » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:56 am

Duration wasn't the question, I know, but tempo indication (and that could differ between thr autograph manuscript(s), first edition score, reduction which could give 3 different answers...)

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Notenschreiber » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:19 pm

If the scherzo has say 800 measures (i don´t know the real number), each of them needs =0,54625 seconds, so we have 110 measures in each
minute. The tempo indication would therefore be 110 for a dotted half note.

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Eric » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:35 am

Actually, I forgot to look at the first page of this thread... and Notenschreiber, that's not called tempo indication, that's called Metronome marking. Sometimes that's the only initial tempo indication one gets (as with Wolpe's string quartet e.g.), but that doesn't mean they're the same thing (a philosophical question :) )

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby JimL » Thu May 18, 2017 5:00 pm

I'm still waiting. Is there a title tempo for the scherzo, or is it just called "scherzo"?

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Eric » Fri May 19, 2017 1:42 am

Several methods of finding this out have been suggested (e.g. asking the British Library librarians about their copy?)

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby JimL » Fri May 19, 2017 5:32 pm

Notenschreiber, the kind of tempo indication I'm talking about is Allegro, Vivace, Presto, Allegretto, etc.

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Sallen112 » Tue May 23, 2017 4:01 am

According to Presto Classical:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/w/2154 ... in-C-minor

Its just "Scherzo" for the second movement.

I. Moderato
II. Scherzo
III. Andante
IV. Animato

If we are dealing with Metronome markings, alot of times, composers during this period, even the late romantic won't have tempo marking all the time in pieces, not really until the 20th century.

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby JimL » Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:14 pm

Presto Classical wouldn't always have the full information on a score. That's why it's so important to have the score available. I've often noticed that a label will only put the 'title' of a movement that has an actual tempo, i.e. 'Allegro' on a track listing, e.g. Mosonyi's Symphony No. 1, which has a scherzo titled only 'Scherzo', but a finale marked 'Allegro'. The only available recording of it has merely 'Scherzo' and 'Finale' for the track listings.

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby RobertNer » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:15 am

I love his work.

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby cypressdome » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:17 pm

A digitized copy of the 2-piano reduction of No.1 can be found here.

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Re: Greef, Arthur de - Piano Concerto 1&2

Postby Hobbypianist » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:44 am

Score is available now: Piano_Concerto_No.1_(Greef,_Arthur_de).
Thanks to Piupianissimo's fantastic downloader.
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