'I Vow to thee my country'

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'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby Sfan00 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:08 am

I am making a request for this on the basis that according to current searches made by myself, the original 1921 arrangement by Holst is public domain
( The original edition seems to have been published by Curwen.)

(However, it should be noted that subsequent arrangements, might not be Public Domain.)

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby jossuk » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:13 pm

Unison choral version currently available from Hal Leonard, $1.80, catalog # HL 50312630...

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby Sfan00 » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:20 pm

jossuk wrote:Unison choral version currently available from Hal Leonard, $1.80, catalog # HL 50312630...


Thanks, I'll bear that in mind:)

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby Carolus » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:29 pm

The work is public domain in the USA, Canada and the EU. Post away. Be sure to list it under The Planets when uploading, as it is an arrangement made from the "Jupiter" movement.

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby Sfan00 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:49 pm

http://musescore.com/user/2030/scores/21064 over on MuseScore :)

Can someone copyright review and get back to me?

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby Carolus » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:58 pm

A few points about the item you linked to:

1. This is an arrangement for 2 trumpets and organ made by someone other than Holst. The arrangement could easily be under copyright.

2. Even if the arrangement referenced above was made by someone who died before 1962 and was first published before 1923, the linked score is a recent typeset or edition and therefore not postable here without the editor or typesetter's written permission or sufficient evidence that the edition was released under a creative commons or similar free license.

3. Fortunately, the words are by an author who is public domain in most of the world - Cecil Spring-Rice (1859-1918). If Spring-Rice had lived until 1949, the text would still be under copyright in the EU and other 70 pma countries. This is a good illustration of how even a well-known work has more than one contributor. Holst (1874-1934) took his own tune from the "Jupiter" movement of The Planets and adapted it to Spring-Rice's text. This arrangement - for unison voices and orchestra - was probably first performed at a commemorative service in 1921 and published by Curwen in 1921 or 1922 (along with Parry's Jerusalem).

4. Host expanded and reworked the piece into a hymn entitled "Thaxted" later for inclusion in the collection Songs of Praise, edited by his friend Ralph Vaughan Williams. This collection was first published in 1926 and could be protected in the USA until 2022 - including the "Thaxted" arrangement.

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby Sfan00 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:11 am

Carolus wrote:A few points about the item you linked to:

1. This is an arrangement for 2 trumpets and organ made by someone other than Holst. The arrangement could easily be under copyright.

2. Even if the arrangement referenced above was made by someone who died before 1962 and was first published before 1923, the linked score is a recent typeset or edition and therefore not postable here without the editor or typesetter's written permission or sufficient evidence that the edition was released under a creative commons or similar free license.



Link is now dead (403) and needs to removed. Sorry.

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby Sfan00 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:19 am

http://www.hymntime.com/tch/htm/i/v/o/ivow2the.htm - PDF (Claims to be PD, but asks for attribution)
http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ftp/Holst ... ed-let.pdf - Claims to be PD

Given the issues identified with the version on the Musescore arrangment, I'd appreciate someone looking over these as well.

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Re: 'I Vow to thee my country'

Postby jossuk » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:35 pm

If I read correctly, in both instances the music doesn't appear in the same document as the words. It just might be a sneaky way of getting around any applicable legal issues...


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